mean-spirited gifts
Mar. 13th, 2007 09:20 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
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What's the big deal about getting a black rose or a broken heart (or a lump of coal or pile of doggy poo) as a vgift? I personally think a black rose is kinda cool and just as pretty as a red or yellow rose, but imagine -- if you're already down in the dumps and some anonymous moron sends you a black rose with a hurtful message, well, you might not think it was so cool. You might wonder who out there, a person who presumably reads your journal on more than just an occasional basis, hates you enough to spend money to send you a nasty message but doesn't have the balls to sign a name to the gift.
I've had three people on my flist be sent these things recently by cruel, anonymous senders. The gifts were meant to hurt. They were meant to make the recipient feel bad, and in a cowardly way since they were sent anonymously. LJ users can block anonymous comments in their journals. LJ doesn't currently have an option (that I know of) to block anonymous gifts. Sure, the gifts can be deleted, but the damage has already been done, hasn't it.
Some people probably think this is much ado about nothing. For them, it probably is. They can look at a mean-spirited gift, laugh about the loser who spent good money to send it, and move on. Some people just have thicker skins than others; what rolls off their backs might depress someone else for days.
Life (and LJ) already offer plenty of ways for us to be cruel and nasty to each other. LJ doesn't need to make it so easy to be cruel anonymously just so they can make a buck.
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Date: 2007-03-13 05:10 pm (UTC)i'll go sign. can i link here for this?
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Date: 2007-03-13 05:26 pm (UTC)I can't help but wonder why they've chosen those "gifts" in the gift shop to begin with.. :/
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Date: 2007-03-13 05:29 pm (UTC)Life (and LJ) already offer plenty of ways for us to be cruel and nasty to each other. Yes they do, don't they? *sigh*
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Date: 2007-03-13 06:04 pm (UTC)I just hate to see people hurt deliberately with these things. I know how it is to obsess about things (boy, do I ever), so I know how much a stupid little thing like a nasty anonymous vgift can bother someone.
*hugs*
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Date: 2007-03-13 05:36 pm (UTC)THAT is the difference;if you give it to someone that you know would appreciate it as a joke that's fine. There's a fine line between being sarcastically funny and being rude, a very fine line;the giver of the gift needs to know if the person to whom the gift is intended can take it.
BUT those black roses and the heart are just not funny. Black roses on St. Valentine's Day? Very NOT in the spirit of a martyr, now is it?
Most definitely linking the petition.
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Date: 2007-03-13 05:43 pm (UTC)Thank you for pointing this out to me , i'll be sure to sign it.
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Date: 2007-03-13 06:05 pm (UTC)I hope you don't mind that I copied your entry in my LJ.
Maria
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Date: 2007-03-13 06:17 pm (UTC)Ahem.
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Date: 2007-03-13 06:18 pm (UTC)my henry. Now I need my henry.
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Date: 2007-03-13 08:07 pm (UTC)I have to say that I did not know that these suspect gifts existed. I feel so sad to think that there should be so much hatred on LJ. I have been told before that I am naive, perhaps I am, because I cannot understand why people want to hurt each other.
Hugs, Susie.
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Date: 2007-03-13 08:42 pm (UTC)I want a black rose from Henry Mortensen too!
Raz, you're just too good for your own self, y'know???
I got a virtual gift from an anonymous giver once, and it was really sweet and nice. I got chocolates from
But that's all I got. Really. *pouts some more* Is it wrong to be so desperate?
Don't answer that.
Really.
I'm signing, because I know there are people out there who do things (like spend money, I don't get that but there it is) to hurt other people. The timing they use often sucks raw eggs as well. There's nothing like kicking somebody when they're already down--geez, isn't life cruel enough already?
Why they'd rather leave a nasty anonymous note with a black rose or a broken heart than go get themselves something off the $.99 menu at Wendy's or McD's, I just don't know. Maybe they don't like fries, jumbo drinks, or frosty's.
That's sad to think even a frosty or some really salty french fries can't make them happy, isn't it?
Hey, LJ? How about a virtual Barbie Legolas instead? *shudders, 'cause it's just too much in so many ways....*
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Date: 2007-03-14 09:18 pm (UTC)It's so hard trying to figure out what's best. Nice anonymous gifts are fun to get and fun to give. I've given a few nice anonymous things on LJ here and there. But all this nasty business -- allow some people to be anonymously nasty, with no possible repercussions -- it's just too much of a temptation, and that sucks.
Frosty and french fries, much much better alternative. ;)
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Date: 2007-03-13 08:48 pm (UTC)I just believe a true gift expects nothing in return, not even recognition.
Plus, I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings by buying one a gift and not another.
I did sign the petition.
It's an option I really, really hate to lose, but if it is being used to hurt people then it has to go.
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Date: 2007-03-14 09:20 pm (UTC)And I don't understand it either. :/
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Date: 2007-03-13 10:55 pm (UTC)While I think it's a horrible thing that people are using the gifts to send hurtful messages, I'm not going to sign it, because I don't agree with either option presented.
As has been pointed out before... the different gifts mean different things to different people. I know people who would love to get a black rose, but would hate a red or yellow one.
As for the anonymous thing, well, there are more reasons than hateful ones to send things anonymously. Maybe the sender doesn't want credit, maybe they don't have an LJ... I can go on and on.
Personally, I think that rather than ruin the fun of most people who aren't using the gifts for anything malicious because there are a few bad eggs out there (as I'd be willing to bet that in a circle of friends, if there's a lot of malicious V-gifts, they're all coming from the same source), they should put more control in the hands of people who get the gifts.
I think that rather than eliminate the so-called negative gifts or take away the option to send anonymously, LJ should give its users the option to opt-out of receiving anonymous gifts. If someone has opted-out, then when you select who you're sending the gift to, the option to remain anonymous will be grayed out, just like the option to comment anonymously is grayed out on journals that require you to have an LJ to post.
That way, people who are just having fun can still have fun, and people who don't want to receive anonymous gifts don't have to receive them.
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Date: 2007-03-14 09:29 pm (UTC)The petition may do absolutely nothing. Maybe LJ staff don't think it's a problem, or the money they generate makes it worth their while to put up with some occasional complaints. And I agree, it is cool about learning things like the Scottish tradition of a lump of black coal on New Year's. Still, I doubt that's why LJ put up the lump of coal as an option as Christmas or the ripped out heart at Valentine's. Users ought to have the ability to block unwanted things from showing up on their user page without their permission, like nasty anonymous Vgifts. Maybe the petition will make LJ reconsider its rejection of what I think is an excellent idea -- allowing users to opt out of receiving anonymous Vgifts.
Thanks for discussing this here. :) Reading other opinions always makes me think about the reasons for my own, and whether I've thought things through well enough.
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Date: 2007-03-14 12:59 am (UTC)Sad to say though that I went over to
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Date: 2007-03-14 09:32 pm (UTC)Thanks for pointing that out. *hugs*
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